David Cameron wibbles

So, no, he’s not going to have a referendum, is he?

ANDREW MARR:

When I was talking to Nigel Farage of UKIP, I said to him, “But the Conservatives are offering a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty even…” And he said, “No, no, no, no, they’re not because if the Irish allow the Treaty to be ratified, that’s it, over, and you won’t get a referendum from the Conservatives”.

DAVID CAMERON:

Well what we’ve said is that we support a referendum, we want a referendum. We want that referendum to happen now. It can happen now because the Treaty is still being discussed and debated elsewhere in Europe. It hasn’t been signed and ratified by everybody. And the more people who vote Conservative on June 4th, the greater the pressure there will be on Gordon Brown to hold that referendum that he promised. And if we get the early election…

ANDREW MARR:

(over) It sounds like UKIP are right.

DAVID CAMERON:

Well no, if we get the early election that I’m asking for - either in July or in September, the Treaty’s still there - we could have a referendum before Christmas. So that is what we should have.

ANDREW MARR:

But you know it’s likely that Gordon Brown will hang on and won’t call an early election. And if the Irish then vote for the Treaty and it’s ratified, we will be in the position that UKIP talk about, which is that if you get a Conservative government afterwards, it will have been ratified. What I’m asking is in those conditions, will you hold a referendum?

DAVID CAMERON:

Well there are awful lot of ifs.

ANDREW MARR:

Yes.

DAVID CAMERON:

That’s if we don’t have an early election; if the Irish vote yes when last time they voted no; if the…

ANDREW MARR:

(over) They’re quite likely ifs.

DAVID CAMERON:

… if the Czechs and others all actually put the Constitution through. If all of these things happen, then what happens?

ANDREW MARR:

Yes.

DAVID CAMERON:

What I’ve said there is we will not let matters rest.

Nope, he’s not promising a referendum at all.